Petition: Cancel Joss Whedon's New Avengers TV Show -
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Get the popcorn.
That fourth paragraph is a solid argument for why the internet cannot have Nice Things. Take it down a notch, people.
Everyone needs to take a moment to step back and remember that there are real people on the receiving end of the fannish mania. I’m not advocating not fangirling, just think before you post, people!
Please reblog and spread the word!
Respect, yo. RESPECT.
Goddamnit, Fandom, you’re doing that thing again where you forget that actors, writers, and anyone with a bit of celebrity are actually human beings and that their loved ones are actual human beings. They are not there simply for your amusement. Their actual real-lives are NOT YOUR PLAYTHINGS.
I met my wife at a Star Trek convention. She was study abroad from France and spoke little English, and I didn’t know a lick of French. So, for the first few months of our relationship, we communicated by speaking Klingon. — Hear more tales of nerdery in this week’s Pwn Up! (via dorkly)
Me on the phone: Yeah I’m going to be late to work today.
Me: There’s a cat gang bang happening on top of my car.
Supervisor: Well can’t you break it up?
Me: Who am I to break up a cat gang bang? They’ve probably been organizing it for days on Craigslist.
Supervisor: Good point. See you when you get here.
WHAT THE ACTUAL————I can’t. I can’t even can. I have lost the ability to can.
(Source: lewis1993, via deducecanoe)
Had to be asked.
O v o and I bet they’re not going to ask.
Alright, can I just? Lemme just, hang on.
If anybody actually thinks this is some kind of conspiracy, or something, I’m gonna go ahead and tell those people to fuck off.
You’re gonna take this incredibly tragic, monstrous event, and make it about the government? Or some kind of higher power supplied him, or something? How dare you.
There are literally dozens of ways he could’ve gotten the money to buy those things, if he even bought some of them at all. Making this about anything other than the victims is foolish at best, and absolutely disgusting at worst. Fucking shameful.
That’s all I’m gonna say.
^ I couldn’t say it better myself.
Are you people seriously implying that it wasn’t his fault? Like oh, poor guy, someone make him do it, he was probably brainwashed, the government is behind this and we should blame Obama, etc etc etc.
I wonder if you all would ask the same questions if he wasn’t white.
Yes. It’s a valid question. That’s a lot of red flags that should have gone off if he didn’t have a dealer’s license. Apparently they didn’t. That’s a huge flaw in the system we keep being told exists to protect us from terrorists. Domestic terrorism is still terrorism & him being white is probably part of how he flew under the radar to commit this horrible crime. It doesn’t need to be a grand conspiracy to be troublesome to people who know how hard it is supposed to be to lay hands on an arsenal.
The local gun club rejected his application on the grounds that he made them uncomfortable. That this fact didn’t emerge until after he perpetrated a mass shooting is very scary.
I can’t buy too much allergy medicine in a given amount of time and I have to sign a registry when I do so, presumably so that if I’m cooking meth instead of dealing with allergies, they have a record of how much I’ve purchased. But this guy can buy $20,000 of weapons and ammo in three months and no one says boo? What?
So yes, let’s absolutely ask these questions, because no one did until it was too late.
Exactly. Preventing something like this from happening again includes addressing the mechanics that made it possible this time.
How do we know he bought them over 6 months? Was that reported somewhere? If not, maybe he’s been planning this for a while now. Or if he was given any student aid (scholarships, student loans, etc.) then he could have used that.
The first recorded purchase was in May & all of the purchases were technically legal albeit via unregulated sites online. My thing is we’re all supposed to be worried about tracking cookies & our ISP’s reporting what we do, but this dude bought an arsenal & no one noticed the pattern? Big Brother is not watching the right people.
Media Ignore Report on Extrajudicial Killings of U.S. Blacks -
An exhaustive report on the deaths of 110 Blacks in the United States at the hands of police, security guards and self-appointed vigilantes during the 6-month period ending June 30 “clearly indicates there is a human rights crisis in the U.S.,” said Ajamu Baraka, of the Malcolm X Grassroots Movement. “If these numbers were coming from somewhere else, indicating that a particular population was being subjected to militarized violence from the state…many people around the world would agree that there was, in fact, a human rights issue.” Yet, even so-called progressive media “aren’t picking up on the report,” said Rosa Clemente, the Green Party’s 2008 vice-presidential candidate.
For several days this month virtually the entire surface of Greenland melted—an area larger than ever seen in 30 years of satellite observations.
My search-fu is failing me. I know there was a post going around Tumblr that collected a list of links showing how Tumblr support gave no crap about POC being harassed but threw around warnings when POC had something to say that wasn’t pretty. Anyone have a link?
genderqueerrat said: I have a serious qualm about something you reblogged that has to do with "cis" being hate speech. A lot of people assume that Gender Identity Disorder is, in fact, a disorder that differentiates trans people, those with a serious mental illness, from those who have no problem fitting into a box within the gender binary. This implication that trans people are "sick" and "need treatment" via medical transition is very wrong indeed. There are many ways to be trans, not just the medical way.
I agree with you. I think you assumed that my reblog was an endorsement of the original post when it was actually an endorsement of the response to that post, which disagreed with the original. Sorry to be confusing.
Mitt Romney said the White House wasn’t sleeping well last night. You know who else wasn’t sleeping well? The mother with a child who has leukemia. The recent college grad who’s unemployed and thinking about making a doctor’s appointment. The grandfather who isn’t sure if he’ll be able to afford the prescription medication he needs. The middle-class family who isn’t sure if they’ll be able to keep their home if their medical bills broach the lifetime cap “Obamacare” eliminated. What would Romney and his bravado do for each of them? Nothing. —
Rachel Maddow (via many-worlds)
I think I’m going to reblog this every day. The anxiety people I know feel about unforseen health problems is crippling, and the alternatives to the problematically dubbed “Obamacare” besides repealing it? Nothing whatsoever. What does it say about a political party that sees a situation profoundly effecting huge swaths of the population and offering nothing as a response?
“Cis” is STILL hate-speech. Don’t use it.
There is no such thing as a “cis woman”. There is certainly no such thing as a woman with “cis priviledge”.
The fact that mentally-ill people with severe Gender Identity Disorder call themselves “trans” is no reason to smack the label “cis” on people free of Gender Identity Disorder .
In fact, it’s utterly abusive, sick crap to lay a big guilt trip on people JUST because they happen to be free of a particular, severe mental illness.
Do we have a term for people who don’t have an illness? Yes, we do:
HEALTHY. Or NORMAL.
I am a healthy, normal woman. That comes with no inherent privilege, because it is the natural state of human beings to NOT have severe Gender Identity Disorder.
You sound like those privilege denying white people I have to deal with all the time.
There’s all that defensiveness and the accusations of “guilt trip” despite lack of actual guilt tripping and the insistence that the way you are is indeed normal and correct and anyone else thinking/acting/looking/being different than you is wrong in some way. Well… at least the privilege denying douchecanoes I deal with at least allow that I exist and don’t suffer from a mental illness. You’ve proven yourself a much more horrendous waste of flash and resources! Congrats.
If slavery was a mugging caught on camera, white logic would dictate that you should:
Ignore the victim’s account, the camera and other evidence, the fact the mugger had the victim’s wallet, the fact the mugger kept records of every person they mugged and how much money it was worth…
…and instead listen to the mugger when they say, “Well, actually, it wasn’t that bad, in fact they WANTED me to mug them, it was like they were GIVING me the money and I was HELPING them!”
The megalomania of whiteness means not only do they never question the bias from the perpetrator as a source, they even discount every other form of evidence in the face of it.
And it’s always funny, because for all the claims that they, personally didn’t engage in slavery, or even their ancestors, they strangely feel the need to PROTECT the reputation of slavers. For people who supposedly are innocent, why are they so invested in protecting the guilty in the face of facts and history?
Wonder wonder, never know.
On two separate occasions this week I managed to offend some people strongly on Twitter. In the first case, it was mostly one guy. In the other, quite a few people were upset. …And I mean, right out of the gate, screaming FUCK YOU ASSHOLE -level upset.
Sometime in the near future I hope to have time to parse through the specifics of this, and let my pedantry flag fly. But I’m too busy with work and family right now, and it’s theoretically a holiday, so that has to wait to be done with the care it deserves.
For now, I’ll say: I don’t think even my biggest un-fan would say that my humor, writing, etc. relies mostly on being mean, offensive, and (sorry, this word was tired even 15 years ago) “edgy.” The short version is: it’s never my goal to get attention mostly by being an unrepentant dick, and I don’t any fair person could say that’s what I do — in any aspect of my career, including my years of MST3K / RiffTrax.
But when you’re in the humor and art biz, it is INEVITABLE that you will offend people, maybe many people, over time. And sometimes they have a good case for suggesting that you’re an unrepentant dick, and other times they don’t. A lot of stuff falls in the middle on that unrepentant-dickery continuum, too.
Humor is VERY subjective, and can become very personal. My goal in life is not to make people feel shitty about themselves and the world, unless — perhaps — it’s a person who is making the world a significantly shittier place. Even that type of humor can go sour quickly, in my opinion.
All this is to say: I’m not trying to hurt people. But nobody in comedy can take care of everyone’s feelings, all the time, and function for long. IM - POSSIBLE. And sometimes if a person says: “You hurt me and people like me with that remark,” I think twice, and feel bad about it, and apologize, and resolve to do better in the future.
And sometimes I consider it and think “Sorry, I don’t feel so bad about that. Can’t help you with those feelings.” This is especially true when I think the person has fundamentally misinterpreted the intention or meaning of the joke, Twitter crack, rant on the city bus, etc. I happen to think this was true of BOTH my recent Twitter tussles, but sometimes it also does come down to: “I see this subject differently that you do.” …at which point, there’s nowhere to go but hopefully you can end it civilly. (And while I love Twitter for many things, it’s a terrible place to debate heated issues.)
However! If instead of saying a version of “You hurt me etc. and here’s why etc.”, you come at me guns-a-blazin’ and poo-a-flingin’, and expect me to feel guilty about your feelings..? And be [*shudder*] “educated?” …Well, then we will get nowhere fast. You might feel Internet-powerful for a second (it fades SO fast, kids), but you won’t get much empathy from me. You probably won’t even get my attention for more than a second, because it’ll be easy for me to say: “Unreasonable, poo-flinging jagoff. Blocked.”
Holy crap, this was the SHORT version.
Truthfully, I may or may not have time to post a more substantive piece on this anytime soon. (By substantive, I mean analyzing these two particular experiences this week in their specificity. I am a goddamned pedant, I am not kidding.)
But in the meantime, in the interest of keeping the peace and offending nobody: cute bunny 4 u. (as seen above!)
Happy Independence Day. May you be free of non-cute bunnies, and tyranny!
[UPDATE: one of the first bits of Twitter feedback I got, like a minute after posting this —
“you still don’t get it, and your non-apology doesn’t help.”
Oh, I think I do get it.
So, being clearer: I am not apologizing above.
As for “doesn’t help?” Doesn’t help what, exactly?
Maybe it doesn’t help your feelings of rage and aversion and I HATE YOU ASSHOLE or whatever. But as I tried to say as civilly as possible above, there may be nothing I can do about that. And if you come at me like a jerky, condescending undergrad, I actually don’t want to do anything about it. Sorry, I’m an artsy-fartsy comedy-type, not Gandhi. (Even he would have lost patience with Twitter trolls.)
I may try to parse through the specific Twitter mess in the future if there’s time, because I think it DOES merit more care than Twitter poo-flinging allows, or than I have time for now. If that doesn’t satisfy some Twitter debate-masters, and you unfollow / boycott / etc., knock yourselves out. Announce it to the world, and savor your victory. I accept that so hard it’s not even funny.
But for now, this will have to do. And I reserve the right to wake up tomorrow and say “Eh, it’s not worth it.”]
I think Bill needs to Google “The Tone Argument” to understand why all of this is highly inadequate. But he won’t because he’s not in this to be a better person, just a more successful bigot.
If I’m wrong, I’ll be waiting for the evidence of such. $500 says I won’t get it.
Love how “It’s Comedy” is always the excuse…
that’s because you have skinny, pretty white girl privilege. Your deep knowledge of nerdy topics is esoteric and cute. Mine is obsessive and strange. Your personality quirks are endearing. Mine are weird. When you wear clothes that make you happy, you are chic and bohemian. When I wear clothes that make me happy, I’m that weirdo fat chick with bad fashion sense. So, y’know. Excuse me for wanting to punch both you and your character in the face whenever you whine about how nobody accepts you. no… everybody accepts you. You’re what a geek girl is “supposed” to be. YOU’re the one the guys want to talk to, and the rest of us, since we don’t meet some minimal standard of cute, are seen neither as dating material nor as even friend material, and worth their time in a conversation. Sorry this is a bunch of bitterness toward “quirky” girls and our perception/treatment of them, at the expensive of OTHER girls don’t fit the supermodel mold.
Seriously. I cannot convey my feelings any better than you have already done. I’m so fucking sick of the awkward geek girl who is perfect in her awkward geekiness, because she’s cute.
See above. Yes. That’s how I feel. It’s like she exists, so the rest of us aren’t real people with legitimate interests and strengths and weaknesses and talents and shit. Because we’re great, but we’re not the awkward ingenue.
I love how Zooey Deschanel hate pretty much always comes from people who claim to be ~fighting the feminist cause~ in letting women make their own choices as to who they are. And by ‘love’, I mean ‘it makes me want to bash my head against a hard surface repeatedly’. Oh no, she just so happens to be white and attractive and she uses quirkiness as her defining feature! God help us, she is clearly out to undermine women everywhere and to narrow the uniquely-awkward-girl category to herself and herself only.
I know I definitely don’t fit into the ‘weird-in-an-endearing-way’ category, but just because she does (and embraces it) doesn’t mean that she’s a traitor to me or to the feminist cause or to girls who aren’t like her. She’s made a choice and she’s comfortable with it, and hating her for it is just fucking ridiculous and spiteful. Hating her for it is just another way of telling women what they are and aren’t allowed to be. ‘Nope, sorry, you’re not allowed to be attractive and call yourself weird, because you don’t properly fit with our definition’.
And yeah, her “skinny, pretty white girl privilege” clearly invalidates her as a person and turns all of her personality quirks into attempts to attack your self-esteem and worth as a person. JFC. You can’t hold her solely responsible for society’s perception of those who don’t fit into the cute-awkward-geekiness mold. That’s not how things work. Just stop.
1) I never claimed to be fighting the feminist cause.
2) I do not begrudge her her beauty, or her success. In fact, I don’t begrudge her any success she’s had because she’s beautiful. I don’t begrudge Felicia Day or Olivia Munn their success or beauty either.
3) What I am opposed to is these women being held up as a new standard of acceptability for nerdy girls. Many of us retreated into fandom and nerdy pursuits because that is where our thoughts were valued over whether we were bangable or not, and now even that last little island of comfort has been invaded and we’re being dictated to on what is acceptable in a nerdy female.
4) Is this going to change? Probably not. Not as long as booth babes prevail at comic book conventions. However, I think it perpetuates misogyny in fandom and geekish endevors if we don’t at least acknowledge and confront the privilege these women have, and also confront every time someone points to those women as “doing it right” in some effort to make all the non-quirky and non-cute women in fandom “conform” to some unrealistic expectation. This perpetuates the invalidation of our opinions, thoughts, efforts and even the very things we enjoy and the way we enjoy them.
Maybe you specifically aren’t coming at this from a feminist perspective, but Zooey hate always seems to come from a background of thinking that women should be able to make their own choices and not be hated for them, which is something I really don’t understand
And yes, to a degree she is held up as the socially-acceptable model of a nerd girl. I’m not arguing that. I’m not denying that all of the sexist bullshit that goes on in the media and in the entertainment industry extends into nerd culture, or that TV and film have started dictating new expectations for women and girls under the awkward/geek/whatever you want to call it label.
But holding one person responsible for all that, aiming all of your vitriol and hatred at her, and saying that you want to punch her in the face for choosing to be a certain type of person is something that I think is really stupid and unfair. I don’t agree with the idea that she is somehow personally responsible for the marginalisation of girls who don’t fit into the image of cute awkwardness. And I certainly don’t agree with the idea that her whiteness/prettiness/skinniess prevents her in some way from being able to claim a certain category as her own. That’s what I was saying.
You’re right. I should have qualified, and not made her the avatar of my unloading. I saw that goddamned gif come across my dash yet again, and I kinda lost it a little. SHE annoys me though. I found her annoying in HHGTTG and I think I am the only person who loved that movie. Well, I loved it except for her. There’s something about her I find to be VASTLY annoying. Far more annoying than… say… Felicia Day. I’m not entirely able to verbalize it. It may be like my dislike for Kate Mulgrew. Who is a fine actor and is often given good parts. But she looks and sounds exactly like my grandmother and I find that creepy for some reason so I avoid watching things with her in it. My dislike for her may be as nonsensical as that. But I am super-annoyed with her, and how she’s held up as the Gold Standard of quirky nerddom. And the “weird” that is so cute on her is not acceptable in the rest of us because we’re not pretty. Two separate issues, possibly. Maybe. I don’t know.
I am a feminist, and I still don’t like Zooey. I’ll admit that my reasons for not liking her have little to do with what she does or says, but with how the media presents her to us.
When The New Girl was about to premiere, they put an extreme closeup of her big sad-eyed face on the cover with a cover line something like: IS THE WORLD READY FOR ZOOEY? Oh my, is the world ready for a conventionally attractive and thin white woman who has endearing quirks and appeals to the male gaze without ever confronting it? I DON’T KNOW GUISE, I THINK THE WORLD MIGHT NOT BE READY, OMG.
The problem with her is that she’s not all that quirky or weird or geeky or strange, yet she’s held up as an exemplar of what a quirky strange geek girl should be. I’m sorry, but that’s more mainstream media bullshit that I refuse to take.
Zooey has every right to milk this shit for all its worth to her because, hey, people gotta eat. But because she does not in any way challenge this view of her, because she either revels in it or silently goes along, I have no respect for her choices. I respect that she can make the choices and would never take away her ability to make that choice, but I do not choose to honor it nor do I choose to simply let it slip by.
So yeah, I’m a Zooey hater and I’m a feminist. And I don’t feel like that’s a contradiction. I’m holding Zooey responsible for her role in the bigger problem while acknowledging that she is not the whole of the problem.